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tsellati
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  06:12:23 AM  Show Profile Send tsellati a Private Message  Reply with Quote
WOW, this is so totally out of character for me !!! Being a research scientist it is perhaps not surprising that I research everything I buy, before I buy it, to death .

Well, I just made an impulse buy off the latest list from Dennis and I am now the proud, and considerably poorer, owner of an original (non-refurbished, non-SA marked), matching 1941 Izhevsk SVT40 rifle . It should arrive on Tuesday, with plenty of photos to follow shortly thereafter.

Problem is, lacking any "upfront" research, I know little or nothing about these rifles . I have read just enough to know they have a gas system and a piston and a gas port(?) that one must adjust to ensure proper cycling of the bolt. But, that is about it!

So, where can I learn more about the operation and proper maintenance of these rifles and what tools will I need? I have seen reference to a gas regulator tool and a front sight adjustment tool. Question is, where can I get these items, how much are originals versus reproductions, do the repros work as well as the originals. etc?

As you can tell, I am needing to do alot of research on the "back end" here and any guidance is much appreciated.

Tim

P.S. - Just as a teaser, here is the original photo Dennis had on the list .


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Welcome to the SVT Club! You will not regret your purchase ...

Start here: http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/SVTsection.asp

More when I return ... if someone hasn't already added the info ...


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alf1960
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  07:28:24 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Very nice gun!Maybe someday I will get one. Congradulations!

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OMalley
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  09:50:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Congratulations on the excellent looking rifle! I hope to join this club someday myself.
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Cabinetman
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  10:20:37 AM  Show Profile  Visit Cabinetman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You're going to have some fun with that rifle. It's a real manly MBR that shoots that great Russian rimmed cartridge so it's cheap to feed.

I can supply you with one good suggestion and two bits of information.

1) Suggestion. Buy the manual that you'll find for sale here at this forum. It's a direct reprint of the original Russian manual for the SVT40 and the information in it is invaluable. the cool thing is that one half is in authentic Russian and the other half is the translation.

2) Info: These rifles are very accurate but they tend to sometimes throw a flier when they're cold. I don't know why and it doesn't always happen. When it does, however, you'll be prepared. I don't mean way, way off target either but while on paper, off to one corner. The rest will all be on target as the barrel warms.


3) Info: The gas system is a bit different than other gas systems. The valve protrudes from the front of the handguard area as you can see in your picture. It's that little protrusion pointing at the front sight post. Now, this valve is in an unusual shape and really requires the proper tool to adjust it. It' unusual because it has dedicated holes that correspond to numbers on the flats of the adjuster. So, you select a certain size hole to allow a dedicated amount of gas into the action. It is NOT a "variable" valve like a faucet. Rather you select a size of hole depending on the cleanliness of your action and the type of ammo you're firing. The way the manual lays it out, in the morning, the Russian soldier would start with the smallest hole. After firing during the day, he's continue to open up the successive holes as the rifle got dirty and the action stopped. By the end of the day, he's be at the last and biggest hole. The rifle would be disassembled, cleaned, and then stopped down to the smallest hole again.

Once you disassemble it, you'll see just what I mean. The thing about it is that if you adjust that value between holes, you're shutting off the gas entirely. Again, you'll see just how that all works.

Finally, that gas valve is the one piece that collects a lot of crud. The first thing I did was buy another used one from Numrich, clean it, and then replaced the original, keeping it as a spare. The rest of the rifle is very robust and easy to clean and maintain.

You'll be happy with Dennis' selection as that's where I bought mine and I love it.

Good luck!

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Vaarok
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  10:22:19 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WELCOME TO THE CLUB! Always good to have another convert!


Hokay, they're pretty simple if you've ever handled a SKS or a FN-49. Possibly simpler. Good design, field strips simple enough...

First thing you need to know is the quick field-strip method. Lock the action open, remove the mag, pull the cleaning rod out, slide the barrel band off, and remove the upper handguards.

Now pull the long piston rod back towards the reciever until it comes free of the goblet-shaped cup, push it to one side, and remove. Now pull off the cup and unscrew the gas extension thingamajig using a Black River Gunsmithing gas wrench. Shake those bits in a cup of hot soapy water and swab out with a Q-tip when you clean. With the extension unscrewed, you can tap the pentagonal adjuster on the top and knock it back out of the gas block to have a look at it. This should not be a common maintainence procedure, as it will eventually loosen up, but it's good to do to get aquainted with your rifle.

Other than that, remember to line up the marks on the gas regulator perfectly with the line on the gas block, and rememer the clamshell cleaning port and triggergroup release cover should be flipped to the LEFT.

I'll let Youngblood post the SVT Cartridge Trick for dealing with the recoil spring.

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Youngblood
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  10:26:23 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Back ...

Tim, I can recommend the SVT Manual advertised on that website. It is the original Soviet manual interpreted into English ... on one side English and if you flip it over you will see the original Russian ... pretty neat! The only negative that I found in the product was that the illustrations suffered greatly in the reproduction effort ... so much so that I always find myself referring to the Russian illustration page while trying to match up the parts on the English side.

For a front sight adjuster & stockbolt removal tool, and SKS/AK sight adjuster works fine.

Here is a great place to acquire an excellent repro SVT Tool for adjusting the gas ... I captured the following text years ago from a post here ... and I now own several of these Black River tools
quote:
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SVT wrench is $14.95 delivered .Check or MO to:
Black River Gunsmithing, Inc.
13566 Indian Hollow Road
Grafton, Ohio 44044
Or call 440-458-5396 M-F 10AM-6PM Eastern for card orders.(you may get the
machine).
Thanks! Jim



Here is a pic of one of the repros (bottom) with an original:



Now I will go and dig around for my "SVT Cartridge Trick" image ...


Edited by - Youngblood on 05/19/2007 10:29:47 AM
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Youngblood
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  10:29:16 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I see that Cabinetman & Vaarok posted while I was crafting my last post ...

The SVT Cartridge Trick:



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Youngblood
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  10:39:48 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Oh, one more thing ...

IF while reassembling the rifle your trigger assembly doesn't want to fit STOP!

The reassembly instructions tell you to install the trigger assy after installing the bolt assy and with the bolt assy in battery.

This causes the disconnector to protrude from the bottom of the receiver which, on some rifles (2 of my 7), will snag the detent "lever/foot" on the front of the trigger assy.

The work-around is simple ... either lockback the bolt assy prior to installing the trigger assy OR install the trigger assy BEFORE installing the bolt assy.





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tsellati
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  11:25:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, you guys are great ! This is like sitting in on a class of "SVT-40 101".

Thanks for the education, especially the text descriptions and the photos.

Tim

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bdgfate
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  12:24:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the club tsellati. The SVT is a very fun gun. Even though your rifle isn't SA stamped, the stock looks very much like your rifle spent time in Finnish hands.

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rocker98
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  2:30:05 PM  Show Profile  Visit rocker98's Homepage  Reply with Quote
You, of course, will be more than happy with your purchase. You may be a bit freaked by the price now, but that will all fade away when you have it in your hands. Welcome to the club!

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Vic
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  2:38:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The good news-the guys gave me a nice plug on the manual. The bad news-its sold out as of last week.

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Cabinetman
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Posted - 05/19/2007 :  3:08:56 PM  Show Profile  Visit Cabinetman's Homepage  Reply with Quote
!!!! Sold out? Bet you could do a "WTB" at the trader forum.

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tsellati
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Posted - 05/21/2007 :  9:57:22 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vic

The good news-the guys gave me a nice plug on the manual. The bad news-its sold out as of last week.



Vic,

So, when you gonna crank up those presses . Seriously, do you think you will have more copies of the translated SVT-38/40 Manual available in the near future?

Anxious minds want to know !

Tim

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jindodog
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Posted - 05/21/2007 :  10:07:27 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i would be in for one too, how bout it Vic?
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Vic
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Posted - 05/22/2007 :  09:12:08 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Probabaly not in the near future. The book went through 2 printings and the last one took almost 2 years to sell out. Maybe but it won't be for a while and possibly it would be replaced with a more in depth publication.

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zeebill
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Posted - 05/22/2007 :  10:14:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Vic New Guys are buying these things like popcorn, use that as a selling point for a reprint! By the way that manual is almost perfect for doing anything with that rifle! As usual he did a great and thorough job! Kudoes to Vic!

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tsellati
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Posted - 05/22/2007 :  8:17:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does any board member have an extra copy they'd be willing to part with? I am particularly needy as I just purchased my very first SVT-40 rifle from Dennis Kroh and it also happens to be my very first semi-automatic rifle . So, as you may imagine, I need all the instruction I can get .

Tim

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Vic
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  08:50:30 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The info for assembly and disassembly is in the SVT section at the parent site tsellati-www.mosinnagant.net

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Youngblood
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  09:44:32 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tsellati

Does any board member have an extra copy they'd be willing to part with? I am particularly needy as I just purchased my very first SVT-40 rifle from Dennis Kroh and it also happens to be my very first semi-automatic rifle . So, as you may imagine, I need all the instruction I can get .

Tim


quote:
Originally posted by Youngblood

... Start here: http://www.mosinnagant.net/USSR/SVTsection.asp
...


You don't need the book ... and you have already been provided with the location of the information that you seek.

Before trying to clean or fire or disassemble your new rifle, spend an hour, or so, and read all of the info at this link, Tim.


Edited by - Youngblood on 05/23/2007 2:17:56 PM
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cthulu
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  09:56:09 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice looking gun, you wont regret buying this rifle, its an impressive gun. I have one I have never shot, just like to pull it out of the safe and admire the thing. I lucked out and was searching craigslist a couple of years ago and just thought I would see if they listed rifles, I spotted a local guy with a beatiful SVT and 400 rounds of russian 7.62x54 ammo for $350!!! I quickly called him up and bought it. I was pretty lucky as apparently craigslist is an anti-gun website and doesnt let you list firearms, I noticed they had pulled his ad a couple hours after he listed it so I was lucky to spot it at all. I got the reciept from when the guy originally bought the SVT from a local pawn shop in the mid 90's, back then the gun cost him $150!!
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cbxboy
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  12:38:20 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tsellati, thansk for the post. My SVT-40 came a number of years back and as above poster has mentioned it is a safe quenn with potential to be shot.

Seems I have some real nice 54r rounds now and am not so concerned about wrecking the rifle. I will have this out to shoot soon, thanks for the refresher course on the info guys, I was starting to neglect my beautiful rifle in the back of the safe.

Hmmmm, if its so accurate.........maybe I'll install a bipod and paint it black to make it look like a cool sniper rifle

Tim

tsellati........FIRST semi auto???

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45Auto
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  12:53:14 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
SMALL ARMS OF THE WORLD by Smith & Smith has instructions for the SVT40. Though not as in-depth as the above mentioned manuel, it's a good investment all the same.

Best regards,
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  2:03:20 PM  Show Profile  Visit Slugger's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vic

Probabaly not in the near future. The book went through 2 printings and the last one took almost 2 years to sell out. Maybe but it won't be for a while and possibly it would be replaced with a more in depth publication.



Why not convert the book to PDF format and sell it on-line as an on-demand downloadable product.

No printing, no inventory.

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Alakablam
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  2:52:32 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Slugger's right on about publishing it electronically.

Tsellati, don't fret to just use the info suppied above. Semi-auto may be a new field for you, but don't be daunted. Just start out with the gas valve set at its lowest setting with one cartridge in the mag. When you fire, see if it extracted and the bolt is held back (this rifle like many semis have an integral bolt hold open that will engage anytime the bolt is pulled back on an empty magazine.) If it extracted and the bolt is held open, you are set, although you may wish to confirm this with an additional single round once or twice more. But soon you will just have to load up with 10 and fire away. If the round fails to eject or does, but the bolt returns to battery (closes) you should try the next setting up. This assumes that the bolt hold open feature is not broken on your rifle - easy to determine, just insert your empty mag in the well, and pull back on the bolt. It should hold open if all is well. Best wishes, and have a blast.

Oh, and please do post a bunch of pics.

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n10sivern
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  3:59:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Youngblood


Here is a great place to acquire an excellent repro SVT Tool for adjusting the gas ... I captured the following text years ago from a post here ... and I now own several of these Black River tools
quote:
USA
1 Posts
Posted - 11/12/2003 : 02:54:47 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SVT wrench is $14.95 delivered .Check or MO to:
Black River Gunsmithing, Inc.
13566 Indian Hollow Road
Grafton, Ohio 44044
Or call 440-458-5396 M-F 10AM-6PM Eastern for card orders.(you may get the
machine).
Thanks! Jim



Here is a pic of one of the repros (bottom) with an original:





just ordered a svt tool from jim at Black River Gunsmithing and sounds like a good guy. can't wait to get it in. thanks for posting the info on it youngblood

Kevin

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tsellati
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  4:10:37 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by 45Auto

SMALL ARMS OF THE WORLD by Smith & Smith has instructions for the SVT40. Though not as in-depth as the above mentioned manuel, it's a good investment all the same.

Best regards,
Greg



Ah, I have the 9th edition so I will have to check it out. I had been meaning to do that now that the rifle arrived.

Tim

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tsellati
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  4:12:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Youngblood
You don't need the book ... and you have already been provided with the location of the information that you seek.

Before trying to clean or fire or disassemble your new rifle, spend an hour, or so, and read all of the info at this link, Tim.




Ah yes, now that I have had some time to peruse the website more closely I see that there is specific information on how to field strip the SVT-40 rifle. This info certainly will come in handy.

Tim

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tsellati
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  4:16:05 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alakablam

Slugger's right on about publishing it electronically.

Tsellati, don't fret to just use the info suppied above. Semi-auto may be a new field for you, but don't be daunted. Just start out with the gas valve set at its lowest setting with one cartridge in the mag. When you fire, see if it extracted and the bolt is held back (this rifle like many semis have an integral bolt hold open that will engage anytime the bolt is pulled back on an empty magazine.) If it extracted and the bolt is held open, you are set, although you may wish to confirm this with an additional single round once or twice more. But soon you will just have to load up with 10 and fire away. If the round fails to eject or does, but the bolt returns to battery (closes) you should try the next setting up. This assumes that the bolt hold open feature is not broken on your rifle - easy to determine, just insert your empty mag in the well, and pull back on the bolt. It should hold open if all is well. Best wishes, and have a blast.

Oh, and please do post a bunch of pics.



This is excellent "starter" advice which I intend to use tomorrow during my SVT's first, of many, trips to the range.

Tim

P.S. - Check out this thread for a bunch more photos;http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=228464

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Vaarok
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  9:20:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey, the SVT was my first autoloader too. Took me damn near twenty minutes to figure out what a bolt-hold-open was, and how it worked.

If peasants and partisans could handle 'em with even moderate success while dragging them through the dirt and mud and getting shot at, taking it apart on your kitchen floor shouldn't be that difficult.

Well, unless you've got a wife.



And even though I just KNOW everybody's kinda shying away from mentioning it, Surplusrifle has step-by-step instructions with big pictures for both disassembly and reassembly if you get stuck.

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Youngblood
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Posted - 05/23/2007 :  10:51:59 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vaarok

... And even though I just KNOW everybody's kinda shying away from mentioning it, Surplusrifle has step-by-step instructions with big pictures for both disassembly and reassembly if you get stuck.

<striking self in forehead!> Y'know I had completely forgotten about that resource ... and I don't know why since I wander thru the forums there several times a day <shaking my head> ... thanks for the reminder, Vaarok!

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